1 00:00:04,190 --> 00:00:02,180 everybody I'm Bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:07,340 --> 00:00:04,200 burns here I work in future theater and 3 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:07,350 you know we like to listen to mmm radio 4 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:13,710 on sunday nights at 9pm 9pm what o.o the 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:15,150 best network on the whole entire 6 00:00:20,660 --> 00:00:18,090 internet inception radio network you're 7 00:00:28,779 --> 00:00:20,670 locked into inception radio network 8 00:01:17,890 --> 00:01:07,200 you 9 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:20,230 good evening folks welcome to paying 10 00:01:27,130 --> 00:01:23,170 radio tonight is Sunday October fifth 11 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:27,140 2014 and we have a very very good show 12 00:01:30,550 --> 00:01:28,880 tonight it's kind of like a 13 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:30,560 groundbreaking show information never 14 00:01:35,170 --> 00:01:32,450 released so it's it's it's it's a good 15 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:35,180 one to be listening tonight and with me 16 00:01:40,870 --> 00:01:38,690 tonight is my co-host ken can storage 17 00:01:42,850 --> 00:01:40,880 how you doing Ken hello people how you 18 00:01:46,810 --> 00:01:42,860 doing tonight yeah you're right MJ we're 19 00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:46,820 going to have a yeah groundbreaking show 20 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:48,620 I guess is a good way of putting it you 21 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:50,090 know if we're going to we're going to 22 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:53,570 dwell in to elaine Douglases files yam 23 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:55,610 and we hear there's uh there's there's a 24 00:02:02,109 --> 00:01:59,090 lot of files a lot of pages and I don't 25 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:02,119 think Marilyn and Dick have even match 26 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:04,810 the circus massive massive amounts of 27 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:08,170 massive amounts of information and and 28 00:02:14,470 --> 00:02:12,230 she was a she passed away here about I'm 29 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:14,480 not really sure maybe six months ago but 30 00:02:21,460 --> 00:02:19,280 she was an avid researcher a very dogged 31 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:21,470 in her pursuits and a research and some 32 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:26,870 pretty insight information concerning 33 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:30,890 flying saucers and the US government so 34 00:02:37,890 --> 00:02:34,220 it should be interesting yeah she uh she 35 00:02:40,420 --> 00:02:37,900 was the head of jars and that is the 36 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:40,430 journal of abduction encounter research 37 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:42,230 and she said on a quarterly magazine so 38 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:45,709 she was a deep into out GM yeah she was 39 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:47,570 into it big time and I believe her 40 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:49,130 website is still active I'm going to 41 00:02:52,449 --> 00:02:50,420 check that quick and I'll throw it in 42 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:52,459 chat I believe it is I'm sure someone's 43 00:02:57,370 --> 00:02:54,650 running it with for her right now yeah 44 00:03:00,699 --> 00:02:57,380 you can our listeners if you go to the 45 00:03:02,380 --> 00:03:00,709 type in Oklahoma UFO paranormal research 46 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:02,390 group they've put up a bunch of her 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:04,760 files and you can access them and 48 00:03:09,670 --> 00:03:07,570 there's some interesting interesting 49 00:03:12,340 --> 00:03:09,680 information and we're going to talk 50 00:03:14,530 --> 00:03:12,350 about two cases that we just pulled out 51 00:03:16,539 --> 00:03:14,540 and studied for the past couple of weeks 52 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:16,549 so I think our listeners are going to 53 00:03:21,729 --> 00:03:18,470 find them very interesting and 54 00:03:23,590 --> 00:03:21,739 insightful so you bet hey I got a couple 55 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:23,600 of shout outs if we got time nor MJ oh 56 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:26,120 go ahead i have a few myself excellent 57 00:03:30,410 --> 00:03:28,670 well i want to say hello to aaron and 58 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:30,420 Carrie I know they're driving 59 00:03:33,710 --> 00:03:32,430 back to tishomingo Oklahoma I was 60 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:33,720 talking to him earlier this afternoon 61 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:35,250 and they're going to be listening and 62 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:37,500 you guys be safe on the highway and 63 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:39,750 thanks again for your patronage and 64 00:03:45,170 --> 00:03:42,480 listening and all your questions and the 65 00:03:47,570 --> 00:03:45,180 other one is to Lorna hunter of lipid 66 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:47,580 and I want to thank you Lorna for all 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:50,010 your hard work and turning us on to some 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:52,650 really good guest well done i'm going to 69 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:55,410 be a guest for them tomorrow evening so 70 00:04:00,020 --> 00:03:57,840 i'm looking forward to that so once 71 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:00,030 again Lorna thanks yeah and Lorna's 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:02,130 learn is definitely helping us line up 73 00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:05,130 some good guess too and we're not going 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:06,390 to say who we're going to have that 75 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:08,370 we're gonna definitely have some great 76 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:11,310 great people in the field on yep I think 77 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:13,260 people will be very pleased absolutely 78 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:15,360 my shoutouts go to of course my favorite 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:17,340 other mother debra anderson in duluth 80 00:04:22,099 --> 00:04:20,250 minnesota and today i decided to throw 81 00:04:23,540 --> 00:04:22,109 up a little post on facebook to see 82 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:23,550 where everybody's listening to tonight 83 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:26,910 so tonight we have Sean God arou go to 84 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:28,530 room sorry Sean ahem hatching in it a 85 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:30,360 name he's call it he's listening in New 86 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:32,460 Orleans Louisiana and then we have 87 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:34,800 engagin yep Dean Rhaegar listening from 88 00:04:41,750 --> 00:04:38,820 peacehaven south east england Oh jolly 89 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:41,760 good yes yes I mean he must be stayed up 90 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:43,440 pretty late to listen to us yeah 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:47,880 appreciate that thank you thought that 92 00:04:50,810 --> 00:04:49,289 was eluding so I'm gonna little vacation 93 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:50,820 this week and I think later in the week 94 00:04:55,250 --> 00:04:53,190 I hi I'm a little bit behind on my MUFON 95 00:04:57,469 --> 00:04:55,260 cases can so I'm gonna have to do some 96 00:04:59,779 --> 00:04:57,479 catching up and some calling and I'll 97 00:05:02,390 --> 00:04:59,789 just for listeners there was a quite 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:02,400 excitement in Breckenridge Colorado here 99 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:04,770 at last couple of days the police 100 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:08,490 department got involved some strange 101 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:10,500 lights in broad daylight actually it was 102 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:13,590 early morning but it was daylight over 103 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:16,200 Bald Mountain and Breckenridge and there 104 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:18,240 were three unidentified objects that 105 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:20,400 people were seeing and they were doing 106 00:05:25,250 --> 00:05:23,220 some pretty spectacular flying they've 107 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:25,260 formed a circle a triangle and a 108 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:28,530 straight line and the Breckenridge and 109 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:29,940 the summit county sheriff's department 110 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:32,910 was inundated with calls with the people 111 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:36,240 up in Breckenridge Colorado got a good 112 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:37,650 brewery up there I don't think the 113 00:05:41,119 --> 00:05:39,449 brewery had anything to do with it 114 00:05:43,369 --> 00:05:41,129 you know you know can't kid i ran across 115 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:43,379 that that in my feed to a story i'll 116 00:05:47,089 --> 00:05:45,389 post that in a inception radio networks 117 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:47,099 Facebook page for everybody to read but 118 00:05:50,989 --> 00:05:48,960 I thought about you too when I was 119 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:50,999 reading that so I I'd seen the case 120 00:05:55,459 --> 00:05:52,680 myself come across the feed late earlier 121 00:05:59,149 --> 00:05:55,469 today too yeah I had a I've got a friend 122 00:06:01,070 --> 00:05:59,159 that works for summit county s oh and he 123 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:01,080 emailed me say hey where are you we need 124 00:06:06,559 --> 00:06:04,080 you and is that a whole lot I can do 125 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:06,569 about lights in the sky but speaking of 126 00:06:15,469 --> 00:06:10,969 which did you get those pictures that 127 00:06:18,379 --> 00:06:15,479 dick sent you of the craft that that I 128 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:18,389 was sent to me yeah I did I did get them 129 00:06:21,709 --> 00:06:19,830 in my email there's some very good 130 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:21,719 pictures there on what we'll have to do 131 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:24,270 is I will I will create a folder on my 132 00:06:28,670 --> 00:06:26,430 photobucket and then i will give people 133 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:28,680 access to the photobucket to take a look 134 00:06:33,139 --> 00:06:30,089 at them photos if that's okay with you 135 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:33,149 guys oh absolutely and if that doesn't 136 00:06:38,089 --> 00:06:34,770 work they can once again I think dick 137 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:38,099 has got them posted up on the Oklahoma 138 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:42,449 UFO paranormal page and there's some 139 00:06:47,899 --> 00:06:45,419 comments about and folks these are taken 140 00:06:50,389 --> 00:06:47,909 with 35 millimeters that's not 141 00:06:54,709 --> 00:06:50,399 photoshopped they aren't digital they're 142 00:06:58,730 --> 00:06:54,719 taken during the 50 60s and 70s I have 143 00:07:01,159 --> 00:06:58,740 not seen any of these on the internet or 144 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:01,169 in any of the books that I have over the 145 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:04,229 years these are new different 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:06,539 photographs and they're not just lights 147 00:07:12,260 --> 00:07:08,490 in the sky these were taken like I said 148 00:07:13,699 --> 00:07:12,270 with someone with telephoto lens some of 149 00:07:16,459 --> 00:07:13,709 them were taken from a Coast Guard 150 00:07:17,899 --> 00:07:16,469 Cutter ship out in the Pacific Ocean I 151 00:07:20,989 --> 00:07:17,909 think there's like three or forum 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:20,999 that'll just jaw-dropping okay they're 153 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:22,770 not let's put it this way they weren't 154 00:07:27,589 --> 00:07:25,289 photoshopped and they weren't hubcaps 155 00:07:34,159 --> 00:07:27,599 thrown up in the air and snapshot okay 156 00:07:38,059 --> 00:07:34,169 these were taken by a variety of of 157 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:38,069 authors but somehow they were sent to me 158 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:42,089 and from a contact that I met up in 159 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:45,209 Alaska about three years ago and he or 160 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:48,140 she was still active duty and 161 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:51,150 they said they would send me something 162 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:52,740 special and they did and I think there's 163 00:07:56,390 --> 00:07:54,960 more on the way MJ there's I'm trying to 164 00:07:58,220 --> 00:07:56,400 get the negatives is when I'm trying to 165 00:07:59,690 --> 00:07:58,230 drive so you know right right and and 166 00:08:01,670 --> 00:07:59,700 they're black and white to a lot of them 167 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:01,680 so I mean it there's just some lot of 168 00:08:05,150 --> 00:08:03,300 them aren't color and there is one of a 169 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:05,160 cobb tovar the is it over the Kremlin oh 170 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:06,990 it's over some type of Nazi building 171 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:09,840 soul that's over that was taken in 1933 172 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:14,010 was a naval attache a at the right stack 173 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:16,110 in I'm not pronouncing that right I 174 00:08:23,090 --> 00:08:19,890 don't have right stock in Berlin in 1933 175 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:23,100 and yeah you can see the Nazi flags the 176 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:26,430 swastika in the windows of the buildings 177 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:28,680 but here's this dome shaped object and 178 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:30,000 if you look closely you can see the 179 00:08:33,950 --> 00:08:31,680 people in the parking lot looking up at 180 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:33,960 it yeah man this is and this is pre I 181 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:37,050 mean Roswell stuff so oh yeah yeah yeah 182 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:40,650 yeah hey there's no way that that object 183 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:44,000 ok is hoax that's the real deal you know 184 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:46,080 1933 give me a break and it's a 185 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:48,240 black-and-white photograph I do not know 186 00:08:53,690 --> 00:08:50,760 the author of it it is suspected that it 187 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:53,700 was taken by a naval officer United 188 00:08:59,840 --> 00:08:56,730 States Navy that was on attached to the 189 00:09:02,750 --> 00:08:59,850 embassy there so it's pretty 190 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:02,760 extraordinary I urge our listeners to 191 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:04,110 take a look at it I think they'll find 192 00:09:09,140 --> 00:09:06,720 it very compelling what i'll do is i 193 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:09,150 will put them in blocks of 5 on 194 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:11,580 inception radio network and that way i 195 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:13,740 mean i mean i think there was about 20 196 00:09:17,690 --> 00:09:15,360 in my one email but do i'll do them in 197 00:09:18,950 --> 00:09:17,700 blocks of 5 and let you guys let the 198 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:18,960 listeners see it on inception radio 199 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:21,270 network so just look at yeah yeah and 200 00:09:25,550 --> 00:09:22,920 and you know what's interesting about 201 00:09:28,190 --> 00:09:25,560 the MJ is that you know so often people 202 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:28,200 say oh you know it's just a light in the 203 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:30,000 sky it could be anything and then when 204 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:31,950 you show a really good photograph it's 205 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:33,750 automatically well it has to be hoaxes 206 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:36,450 it's photoshop well what's what's good 207 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:38,580 about these photographs okay is that 208 00:09:42,410 --> 00:09:40,710 they were taken with 35 millimeter and 209 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:42,420 there's a lot in a lot of the 210 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:43,920 photographs there's a lot of background 211 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:46,320 definition that gives you perspective of 212 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:48,720 where the object is and how big it is 213 00:09:54,770 --> 00:09:51,330 and you can realize that it's not it's 214 00:09:56,540 --> 00:09:54,780 not hoaxed you know especially the ones 215 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:56,550 taken from the airplanes i find those 216 00:10:00,770 --> 00:09:59,010 fascinating okay 217 00:10:03,170 --> 00:10:00,780 get out of an aircraft window and it 218 00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:03,180 okay well tell me how you threw a hubcap 219 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:05,580 out there okay and these these are very 220 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:07,410 definitive photographs I mean they show 221 00:10:12,860 --> 00:10:11,100 an object of material ya what I'll do is 222 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:12,870 I'll pulse the first five after the show 223 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:14,670 for our listeners will take a look there 224 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:17,550 and share them with whoever but this is 225 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:19,140 some pretty girl make breaking a 226 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:23,550 photography to that yeah yeah I you know 227 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:27,060 I get questions all the time you know 228 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:30,510 the photographic evidence and I think 229 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:35,550 not that these are a cure-all for for 230 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:38,490 the flying saucer or UFO phenomena but 231 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:40,800 you know once again you look at the time 232 00:10:44,780 --> 00:10:43,290 frame you can see pictures of vehicles 233 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:44,790 in the car and you can tell it was a 234 00:10:48,670 --> 00:10:46,440 nineteen sixty Chevrolet or an 235 00:10:51,020 --> 00:10:48,680 Oldsmobile or whatever I did notice that 236 00:10:54,140 --> 00:10:51,030 and the hair styles of some of the 237 00:10:56,420 --> 00:10:54,150 people and like the 1933 in Berlin of 238 00:10:58,070 --> 00:10:56,430 you know in Germany that's pretty 239 00:10:59,420 --> 00:10:58,080 compelling I think that's what that's 240 00:11:01,130 --> 00:10:59,430 what caught my eye was the age of the 241 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:01,140 vehicles too and some of the photography 242 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:04,410 yes oh yeah well can and and I'd like I 243 00:11:11,060 --> 00:11:09,510 urge your listeners oh yeah yeah go 244 00:11:12,890 --> 00:11:11,070 ahead well can't go ahead and I 245 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:12,900 introduce our guests they are on the 246 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:15,990 line okay tonight we are fortunate to 247 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:21,750 have Maryland and dick Carlson they were 248 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:26,160 able to acquire elaine Douglases UFO 249 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:31,860 files and I just for our listeners who 250 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:34,470 didn't really know who Elaine Douglas 251 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:37,230 was or her background I'll let Dickon 252 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:40,860 and Marilyn address that but it is very 253 00:11:46,660 --> 00:11:43,650 interesting so dick into Maryland 254 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:46,670 welcome to paying radio and to our show 255 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:51,540 thanks hi hey we're on hey wanted to 256 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:53,490 give them our listeners a little 257 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:55,410 background on the lane Douglas you you 258 00:11:59,210 --> 00:11:57,000 know her better than I did I met her 259 00:12:01,160 --> 00:11:59,220 several times but you guys interacted 260 00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:01,170 with her a lot more than I did so go 261 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:04,800 ahead uh well I originally worked with 262 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:08,870 her on committee to reform move fun and 263 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:10,160 make 264 00:12:18,309 --> 00:12:14,750 tact with her when we both were relieved 265 00:12:20,819 --> 00:12:18,319 of our duties as state directors for 266 00:12:26,829 --> 00:12:20,829 MUFON I was state director of Oklahoma 267 00:12:30,429 --> 00:12:26,839 she was state director of Utah and so we 268 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:30,439 we did some working together and in the 269 00:12:37,869 --> 00:12:34,850 meantime she she had been diagnosed with 270 00:12:41,889 --> 00:12:37,879 breast cancer before and it came back 271 00:12:44,410 --> 00:12:41,899 with a vengeance and and so after she 272 00:12:50,290 --> 00:12:44,420 passed away towards the end of January 273 00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:50,300 of this year um we got a call from Brad 274 00:12:59,110 --> 00:12:53,449 wise who helped her with the journal for 275 00:13:05,129 --> 00:12:59,120 abduction research magazine and by the 276 00:13:15,129 --> 00:13:10,650 access to to that magazine and he's 277 00:13:18,579 --> 00:13:15,139 maintaining that and anyway Brad Weis 278 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:18,589 asked us if we we wanted her files and 279 00:13:25,210 --> 00:13:21,310 we said give us two weeks we'll be there 280 00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:25,220 long extender rupture how extensive or 281 00:13:31,629 --> 00:13:26,449 her files what how many are we talking 282 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:31,639 about oh well we have a total of 378 283 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:34,790 files okay and there in eight boxes 284 00:13:39,460 --> 00:13:37,310 there's thousands and thousands and 285 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:39,470 thousands of pages you've seen them can 286 00:13:47,829 --> 00:13:44,689 yeah I know and our website is Elaine 287 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:47,839 Douglas files calm as here they are and 288 00:13:55,540 --> 00:13:50,630 on the white website we have 113 of the 289 00:14:00,040 --> 00:13:55,550 files listed out of that 378 and so far 290 00:14:02,499 --> 00:14:00,050 we've uploaded 51 so you go into 291 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:02,509 everything is in blue is and correct me 292 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:05,540 if I'm not if I'm not wrong but some 293 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:07,910 very extensive research and not only the 294 00:14:14,619 --> 00:14:10,250 abduction field but in the field of 295 00:14:16,629 --> 00:14:14,629 ufology and and the government in fact 296 00:14:18,549 --> 00:14:16,639 we're going to talk about a couple of 297 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:18,559 the cases we're going to pick we pick 298 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:20,480 two cases tonight folks to talk about 299 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:22,730 they came out of her files and and some 300 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:23,600 of that information 301 00:14:29,290 --> 00:14:26,569 and was very revealing to me I had no 302 00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:29,300 idea that some of the stuff was going on 303 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:33,980 so we didn't either yeah I but she was 304 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:40,220 uh she was very I had told MJ's my my 305 00:14:44,590 --> 00:14:42,350 interaction with her was somewhat 306 00:14:45,790 --> 00:14:44,600 caustic in nature just the way she you 307 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:45,800 know approached me and how she came 308 00:14:51,999 --> 00:14:49,850 across but very intelligent she was 309 00:14:54,189 --> 00:14:52,009 basically a no-nonsense researcher I 310 00:14:57,689 --> 00:14:54,199 mean she you know she was very dogged 311 00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:57,699 and specific in her research and and and 312 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:01,279 from what I looked at in the files wow 313 00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:04,310 she she was one hell of a researcher I 314 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:06,079 mean she did her job she did she did her 315 00:15:10,420 --> 00:15:08,060 homework yes she didn't really know what 316 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:10,430 to expect when we got there we didn't we 317 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:13,970 never really visited her in Moab so we 318 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:16,490 didn't know you know if what if Excel 319 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:20,000 going to be but just like her they were 320 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:23,920 meticulously done I mean very little has 321 00:15:30,490 --> 00:15:28,120 even she Brad also offered us her books 322 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:30,500 in there said oh man we're gonna have to 323 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:31,970 go through this whole library and pick 324 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:33,740 all these books up home we got there 325 00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:36,649 here's a sign up on on the edge of the 326 00:15:42,579 --> 00:15:40,430 book it says UFO books yeah she had him 327 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:42,589 she had him separated out from her other 328 00:15:48,340 --> 00:15:45,980 books about law other subjects that she 329 00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:48,350 might she had an interest in so it was 330 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:50,480 easy for us to pull the bookshop off the 331 00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:53,600 shelf we ended up with the 12 boxes of 332 00:16:00,040 --> 00:15:56,720 stuff yes but doing the books and the 333 00:16:02,650 --> 00:16:00,050 files yes the books what most of them be 334 00:16:05,499 --> 00:16:02,660 sent over to butch because he was going 335 00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,509 to set up a library and we didn't have 336 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:08,000 any room for that we left a few with her 337 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:09,889 brother because he wanted some to read 338 00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:15,350 so um and we anyway which got him 339 00:16:22,090 --> 00:16:18,920 because he has a library set up that's 340 00:16:26,259 --> 00:16:22,100 open to the public so we that was a good 341 00:16:29,290 --> 00:16:26,269 place for all those books to go and well 342 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:29,300 why don't we go ahead say what why don't 343 00:16:33,129 --> 00:16:31,370 we go into two of the cases out of her 344 00:16:36,460 --> 00:16:33,139 file that we talked about since we've 345 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:36,470 yeah one of the things that we've been 346 00:16:41,050 --> 00:16:37,040 we do not 347 00:16:44,139 --> 00:16:41,060 to have these posted up on on the 348 00:16:47,259 --> 00:16:44,149 website 800 use the flight TWA flight 349 00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:47,269 800 is but the John Ford and the loof on 350 00:16:58,689 --> 00:16:52,430 files are not and we're withholding 351 00:17:01,600 --> 00:16:58,699 those for a little bit until we can make 352 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:01,610 a decision on how how to handle handle 353 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:04,370 these files because there's names 354 00:17:09,069 --> 00:17:06,770 there's people mentioned that I know 355 00:17:12,010 --> 00:17:09,079 people have reported and written and 356 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:12,020 there's been up TV programs that have 357 00:17:20,860 --> 00:17:16,970 been done about a John Ford and and the 358 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:20,870 Long Island your foe crash but there are 359 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:22,790 some things that he Lane had her in her 360 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:26,030 file that none of the researchers have 361 00:17:32,260 --> 00:17:28,250 ever seen before yeah it's pretty 362 00:17:35,950 --> 00:17:32,270 telling absolutely very telling hey just 363 00:17:40,570 --> 00:17:35,960 for the update our listeners and and the 364 00:17:43,570 --> 00:17:40,580 possible UFO connection with TWA flight 365 00:17:45,549 --> 00:17:43,580 800 just for our listeners especially 366 00:17:51,220 --> 00:17:45,559 those on the other side of the of the 367 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:51,230 marble flight TWA 800 crashed are off 368 00:17:56,860 --> 00:17:55,070 long island new york when was that 1999 369 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:56,870 was that is that when i went down now a 370 00:18:01,450 --> 00:17:58,610 widow i think it would don't know after 371 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:01,460 the towers i can't recall right off him 372 00:18:06,510 --> 00:18:03,730 the exact date but there was some 373 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:06,520 allegation that it had been shot down 374 00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:10,010 yep well if you look at the fire her 375 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:13,669 file no she she kept every newspaper 376 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:17,929 report of that it's in her file of that 377 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,770 flight 800 and i mean it is when all the 378 00:18:25,870 --> 00:18:23,840 different twists and turns you know the 379 00:18:29,049 --> 00:18:25,880 government did this and covered up that 380 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:29,059 and by the reports of they were you know 381 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:33,290 rockets that took it down and and hills 382 00:18:37,690 --> 00:18:35,630 right the beginning of when they when 383 00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:37,700 they first went down they people made 384 00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:40,070 those claims on Long Island that they 385 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:42,830 saw three missiles a total of three 386 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:45,049 missiles go up and hit that airplane I 387 00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:50,510 saw a interview on CBS 388 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:53,630 news within about two days after flight 389 00:19:00,940 --> 00:18:56,450 800 went down it was on national news I 390 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:00,950 never saw the broadcast again but they 391 00:19:08,050 --> 00:19:04,490 were interviewing two passengers on 392 00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:08,060 another flight that saw the streaks come 393 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:11,390 up from the ocean and then there was 394 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:14,240 this giant fireball in the sky now 395 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:15,710 what's interesting about these two 396 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,250 eyewitnesses is that they were very 397 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:20,960 credible and the reason why they were 398 00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:23,210 very credible because they were active 399 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:27,140 duty Air Force fighter pilots and they 400 00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:30,950 were had flown combat missions in in the 401 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:33,440 Gulf War and they were very familiar 402 00:19:37,390 --> 00:19:35,540 with missile launches and both of them 403 00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:37,400 were adamant and they didn't know each 404 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:39,320 other they were sitting in different 405 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:41,270 parts of the plane and they saw these 406 00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,510 streaks rise up from the ocean and then 407 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:46,160 there was this giant fireball in the sky 408 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:48,490 so I thought that was very telling and 409 00:19:53,020 --> 00:19:51,110 they never never heard that testimony 410 00:19:56,530 --> 00:19:53,030 again they were never called to testify 411 00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,540 you never saw a replay of that interview 412 00:20:01,690 --> 00:19:59,120 there's actually a documentary where we 413 00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:01,700 saw here i think on netflix it was about 414 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:04,520 flight 800 and they actually even had 415 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:08,150 the one of the NTSB guys that was 416 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:09,830 involved in it in some of the stories 417 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:13,010 they came up with my sarah me myself i 418 00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:14,570 don't really know if there was a missile 419 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:15,860 or not all i can tell you is what's in 420 00:20:19,630 --> 00:20:17,960 the file but you know I'm an 421 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:19,640 investigator but that's too long ago did 422 00:20:28,990 --> 00:20:26,530 well and according to the TWA 800 423 00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:29,000 Netflix program if any of you have 424 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:34,460 netflix there was a cover-up and it went 425 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:37,910 all the way up to the like the Secretary 426 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:40,970 of the Navy yeah usually I guess in a 427 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:42,710 crash from what the NTSB guy says 428 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,290 usually NTSB takes control and in they 429 00:20:54,460 --> 00:20:51,440 had a little bit of control over the 430 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,470 flight 800 parts and pieces and that 431 00:20:59,800 --> 00:20:56,480 sort of thing but they didn't have full 432 00:21:02,890 --> 00:20:59,810 control the FBI and other people came in 433 00:21:04,060 --> 00:21:02,900 and took pieces and change they had a 434 00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:04,070 thing where 435 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:05,480 if it was in a certain place in the 436 00:21:08,770 --> 00:21:07,370 ocean it was red it was a certain place 437 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:08,780 in the ocean it was yo in a certain 438 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:11,990 place in the ocean it was blue and so 439 00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:14,210 they tagged us so they can see the the 440 00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,080 you know the debris field and people 441 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:20,000 came in and actually changed those tags 442 00:21:26,110 --> 00:21:23,870 and the NTSB guy said hey you can't be 443 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:26,120 changing those tags and they said you 444 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:28,130 know you can just leave right now yeah 445 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:30,470 your services are no longer needed oh 446 00:21:40,150 --> 00:21:34,910 yeah so well in and how this may or may 447 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:40,160 not tie into ufology but correct me if 448 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:42,530 I'm wrong dick marilyn is that this 449 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:45,850 crash occurred not too far away from 450 00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:52,250 Montauk and you're in & John Ford was he 451 00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,760 not working on the Montauk Project which 452 00:22:00,490 --> 00:21:58,640 they were not what he what he was worked 453 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:00,500 well he was probably trying to 454 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:03,910 investigate the montauk project but he 455 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:06,860 he had an organization called the Long 456 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:10,370 Island UFO network or Lou fun if you 457 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,260 will and they were working on that small 458 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:16,880 group of people were working on 459 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,820 investigating that crash and there was 460 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:25,280 politics involved with with the crash 461 00:22:33,550 --> 00:22:30,110 and he accused uh some some of the 462 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:33,560 townspeople of purposely setting the 463 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:36,770 woods on fire near Montauk to to cover 464 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:40,670 up the crash and and evidence and so 465 00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:45,290 forth and he ended up being set up in 466 00:22:55,690 --> 00:22:52,720 some way uh that he was accused of 467 00:23:00,430 --> 00:22:55,700 attempted murder that was the original 468 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:00,440 charge on him of attempted murder of a 469 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:05,930 politician that was in the county and he 470 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:08,750 a Marilyn before we go any further and I 471 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:10,610 just want to clarify something for our 472 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:12,530 listeners and that is de menthe one of 473 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,770 the speculation that was going on at the 474 00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:17,840 time of flight TWA 800 475 00:23:22,779 --> 00:23:20,840 and the Montauk Project is that the US 476 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:22,789 government was working on a particle 477 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:25,490 beam that could be this is kind of 478 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:27,140 interesting that could be used as an 479 00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,730 anti-missile defense to knock down 480 00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:31,039 missiles out of the air directed energy 481 00:23:37,299 --> 00:23:34,700 a directed energy being correct and I 482 00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,309 find it fascinating that there is I 483 00:23:42,909 --> 00:23:39,679 witnesses and some physical evidence 484 00:23:44,409 --> 00:23:42,919 indicate that the plane was hit by a 485 00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:44,419 missile and I'm just wondering if they 486 00:23:49,149 --> 00:23:47,150 didn't testify our missile and either 487 00:23:50,590 --> 00:23:49,159 the particle beam caught the plane or 488 00:23:52,690 --> 00:23:50,600 the missile caught the plane but it was 489 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:52,700 strictly an accident it wasn't it wasn't 490 00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:54,260 like they were shooting at the plane per 491 00:23:59,139 --> 00:23:56,929 se yes that's one of the things that on 492 00:24:00,940 --> 00:23:59,149 that documentary they said is it was 493 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:00,950 probably one missile was accident the 494 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:02,690 other two were shot up to try to knock 495 00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:05,090 down that one missile but that button 496 00:24:15,159 --> 00:24:11,480 maybe it it accidentally hit TWA 800 so 497 00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:15,169 and anyway going back to John Ford he 498 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:18,260 was looking into Montauk and the co and 499 00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:22,610 the Flying Saucer crash I and I believe 500 00:24:28,930 --> 00:24:26,270 he was set up uh according to according 501 00:24:32,049 --> 00:24:28,940 to Elaine Douglases files it sounds like 502 00:24:36,970 --> 00:24:32,059 it yeah it was really interested in 503 00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:36,980 Brookhaven National Laboratory in fact 504 00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:40,760 is one of the gals there who was like 505 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:42,590 those receptionist what's her name here 506 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,460 anyway Oh Mona row was her name and he 507 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:48,320 kept calling her up and you know saying 508 00:24:52,539 --> 00:24:50,390 well you got UFO and you got bodies out 509 00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,549 there and so she actually invited him to 510 00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,559 come out for a tour and she said you can 511 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:56,240 open any door you want allow your own 512 00:25:00,399 --> 00:24:58,970 experts to search the UFO evidence she 513 00:25:01,690 --> 00:25:00,409 said she had nothing to hide but of 514 00:25:04,990 --> 00:25:01,700 course he never made it to the lab 515 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:05,000 because he was the rest goddamned he was 516 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:06,740 accused of attempted murder and want to 517 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:09,020 tell ya yeah this is interesting yeah 518 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,620 yeah and hey MJ does this not tie in a 519 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:14,240 little bit about what read on nick 520 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:16,070 redfern was talking about last week it 521 00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:18,760 does definitely damn you know with the 522 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:23,299 with the fatalities and all the other 523 00:25:26,779 --> 00:25:24,330 stuff that was going 524 00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:26,789 new ufology field oh yeah yep that would 525 00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:28,230 have tied in well with this book follows 526 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:36,059 yes you know uh John Ford is still in 527 00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:38,130 the mental health institution in New 528 00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:42,630 York okay and we actually have an 529 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:46,200 examination report of his yeah Elaine 530 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:50,010 had it he Lane had it in the box huh and 531 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:51,870 why don't you once you tell her 532 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:53,610 listeners he was accused of attempted 533 00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:56,850 murder I wanted to distance just to give 534 00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:00,960 an idea how outlandish and how far the 535 00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,720 government will go to squash someone 536 00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:06,299 that may be on the right trail what was 537 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,809 the what was the murder weapon dick it 538 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:12,240 was a what kind of would happen if you 539 00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:14,370 read the newspaper account from the 540 00:26:19,129 --> 00:26:15,779 Washington Post which of course they're 541 00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:19,139 always correct right one of his buddies 542 00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:22,590 in his group in the Lulu phone group 543 00:26:29,649 --> 00:26:27,840 yeah I guess they got together and but 544 00:26:32,629 --> 00:26:29,659 John had problems with the local 545 00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:32,639 Republican Committee I guess he ran for 546 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:34,470 office or something I got rejected and 547 00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:37,260 so anyway he was going to supposedly 548 00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,100 take these guys out so what does one guy 549 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,440 that was part of his group said well I 550 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:45,840 can get a hold of some radioactive 551 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:50,850 material and so I guess he did it wasn't 552 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:52,529 enough to do anything well they didn't 553 00:26:57,019 --> 00:26:54,750 know that at the time but now anyway 554 00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:57,029 they put a wire the police put a wire on 555 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,960 him and of course because he reported it 556 00:27:06,139 --> 00:27:03,120 you know he's going to give you this 557 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:06,149 reflective material and so they put a 558 00:27:10,009 --> 00:27:08,010 wire on him and he went to John and of 559 00:27:11,629 --> 00:27:10,019 course you know John says yeah I want to 560 00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,639 take that stuff and stick it under the 561 00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:13,740 seat of the truck and you know they're 562 00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,299 going to be dead in three days I want to 563 00:27:18,919 --> 00:27:17,039 put it in her toothpaste and os or a 564 00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:18,929 thing but ya know people say crazy 565 00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:21,059 things yeah and that was part of the 566 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:24,779 part of the deal of course in the DEA 567 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:29,940 course was hard over to to make John you 568 00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,130 know the bad guy and they actually 569 00:27:37,159 --> 00:27:34,320 arrested him and arrested his buddy that 570 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:37,169 got the gut to radioactive material the 571 00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:37,380 rain 572 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:39,620 active material was like hospital 573 00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:42,630 quality stuff for doing tests and that 574 00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:44,550 sort of thing so you know he could have 575 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:46,470 spread under this seat of the truck and 576 00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:48,450 you know the guy would have died of old 577 00:27:56,140 --> 00:27:51,300 age never would have really made any 578 00:27:59,840 --> 00:27:56,150 difference but anyway it it's set him up 579 00:28:03,710 --> 00:27:59,850 and as a result of that setup he ended 580 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,720 up in court obviously yes it and did 581 00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,760 they do a psych evaluation of them is 582 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:07,380 that how they kid and I'm going to I'm 583 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:08,730 going to read right here from the 584 00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:12,990 examination report go in 1993 he retired 585 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:15,030 from his job after an energy injury on 586 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:17,370 the job he has a master's degree in 587 00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:20,460 public administration you he was 588 00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:23,340 circumstantial mood was depressed and 589 00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,820 effect was constricted he was delusional 590 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:29,820 de nights and he denied suicidal 591 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:32,090 homicidal ideas or hallucinations 592 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:35,070 diagnosis major depression single 593 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:38,610 episode with psychosis prognosis good 594 00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:40,800 with treatment recommendations patient 595 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:43,470 as psychotic chose delusional influence 596 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,290 and as lacking capacity to understand or 597 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,080 assist in his own defense it is 598 00:28:52,790 --> 00:28:51,240 recommended that John Ford be placed in 599 00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,800 the custody the Commissioner of mental 600 00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:54,720 health for inpatient psychiatric 601 00:29:01,760 --> 00:28:59,610 treatment and he's still there what your 602 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:01,770 are we talking about Dino wait that lets 603 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:05,720 see if there's a date on this report uh 604 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,290 810 that's his birthday ah gonna be you 605 00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:14,640 just so you know I was listening to that 606 00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:18,920 evaluation i'm thinking i could fit that 607 00:29:28,670 --> 00:29:25,560 jun 16 1997 okay and the reason he was 608 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:28,680 depressed his mother was extremely ill 609 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:30,270 he no longer could take care of her and 610 00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:32,850 had to put her into a nursing home that 611 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:37,950 would do it yeah and uh but you know 612 00:29:42,890 --> 00:29:40,350 that would depress a lot of people you 613 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:42,900 know well sure and probably because he 614 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:46,320 believed in UFOs and he was it you know 615 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:50,010 back back in 97 if you believed in UFOs 616 00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:51,090 are 617 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:53,160 government did a huge thing to make 618 00:29:58,660 --> 00:29:55,320 everybody look like they were nutcases 619 00:30:00,860 --> 00:29:58,670 if they believe that UFOs existed I 620 00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:00,870 think they still do that to someone 621 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:04,140 think they probably do and so therefore 622 00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:07,650 I'm a nut case you're in that case dicks 623 00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:09,720 in that case sometimes you feel like a 624 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:13,350 nut sometimes you gotta yeah and his 625 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:15,330 buddy the one who got him the radium 626 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:19,800 stuff but he outed John to on the stand 627 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:22,830 so i think he got three years from what 628 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:24,930 I can find and of course John went off 629 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:26,910 to the mental institute so you know 630 00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:28,710 that's like a you could that could be a 631 00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:33,780 lifetime I do want to say that in 632 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:36,780 Elaine's files there were very personal 633 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:41,370 and private letters from John to her and 634 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:44,490 by reading those personal letters there 635 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:48,150 was absolutely no indication that this 636 00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:51,960 man was crazy you know and I just want 637 00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:53,280 to point something out and this is you 638 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:56,190 know this is a cop coming out in me and 639 00:31:00,290 --> 00:30:58,290 that is you know we can all sit around 640 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:00,300 and talk about taking somebody out and 641 00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:04,440 be and be angry or upset okay but there 642 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:07,680 has to be a substantial step taken at 643 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,380 least in the eyes of the law and i just 644 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:12,000 want to point this out the fact that his 645 00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:15,330 friend went in acquired that radioactive 646 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:17,790 material i can see where the prosecutor 647 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:20,310 could say well that was the substantial 648 00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:24,330 step what I did wire what's that then he 649 00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:27,540 put the wire on him yes yeah yeah 650 00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:30,780 however is there any indication that 651 00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,960 that john told this guy to go get the 652 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:35,700 stuff or did this guy just show up with 653 00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:37,530 it and no i think they talked about it 654 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:40,560 and the the guy works for grumman at the 655 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:43,650 time and we could because he could act 656 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:46,130 get access he showed up with this little 657 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:50,250 you know lead container that had the 658 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:52,410 stuff inside of it in fact the DEA 659 00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:54,450 brought the lid container out i guess to 660 00:31:59,300 --> 00:31:57,630 show everybody but oh great sign it was 661 00:32:03,260 --> 00:31:59,310 in the back of his truck when the cops 662 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,270 showed up well you know in retrospect i 663 00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:04,559 can see where the DEA 664 00:32:08,869 --> 00:32:06,299 would think that they would have a case 665 00:32:12,379 --> 00:32:08,879 I mean I think it's pretty weak at this 666 00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:12,389 point but you know it I can see where 667 00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:15,059 the DA was you know especially if there 668 00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:17,879 was a an agent and within the government 669 00:32:24,379 --> 00:32:20,309 behind it saying go ahead and prosecute 670 00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:24,389 him yes exactly and I think there that 671 00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,720 was exactly the case that that um we 672 00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:29,159 don't care how flimsy it is all we need 673 00:32:32,779 --> 00:32:30,899 to do is get him in court and once they 674 00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:32,789 did that then they could they could have 675 00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:35,309 the judge sign off on an eval and I 676 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:37,019 really think looking through the files 677 00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:40,440 what happened is that their case was a 678 00:32:47,779 --> 00:32:44,159 little bit too flimsy and so they went 679 00:32:50,419 --> 00:32:47,789 for the gusto and had him declared a 680 00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,429 psychotic right that's what I'm getting 681 00:32:54,859 --> 00:32:51,600 written that's what I was saying is I 682 00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:54,869 say that can be a life sentence oh it 683 00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,779 sounds like it yeah guys it was every 684 00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,059 time he comes up for eval if there's an 685 00:33:04,369 --> 00:33:02,220 outside force that is pulling the 686 00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:04,379 strings he's going to continue to need 687 00:33:08,509 --> 00:33:06,419 further treatment and incarceration 688 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,519 that's right ken I'm gonna do a quick 689 00:33:12,499 --> 00:33:10,559 station break you're listening to paying 690 00:33:14,899 --> 00:33:12,509 radio on the inception radio network 691 00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,909 tonight we have on Marilyn and dick 692 00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:16,919 Carlson talking about the Elaine Douglas 693 00:33:21,549 --> 00:33:18,539 files and right now we're digging into 694 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:21,559 the John Ford case so take it away guys 695 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:25,980 well I I you know I it seems to me and 696 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:28,230 this is based upon talking with you guys 697 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:30,809 and you guys reading in the Elaine's 698 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:35,190 files about this is that it was a and 699 00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,830 I'm once again this is the cop speak in 700 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:39,960 it it seemed like a pretty flimsy 701 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,860 criminal case ok I think now any defense 702 00:33:50,649 --> 00:33:45,480 attorney could have successfully 703 00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:50,659 defended it and and not had the charges 704 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:53,549 sustained against John Ford but what I 705 00:33:59,779 --> 00:33:55,529 find fascinating a couple different 706 00:34:03,200 --> 00:33:59,789 attorneys by the way trying to overturn 707 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:03,210 his diagnosis well that's the part 708 00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:06,929 that's really baffling is that this the 709 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:10,500 psych eval that they did they never do 710 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:12,510 he was never convicted of the charges 711 00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:15,210 they did it on the on his evaluation 712 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:17,100 that he was psychotic right that's right 713 00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:19,110 that's exactly right he was never ever 714 00:34:28,850 --> 00:34:23,520 that convicted I think tuna being living 715 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,860 in a small town like it is and you know 716 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:31,320 he's really he was very hard over on 717 00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:34,530 UFOs so they kind of you know put him in 718 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:37,260 that category aware and you know at in 719 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:40,740 had in a tin foil hat knowing it for 720 00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:43,200 sure did the the the stage had already 721 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:45,600 been set yeah by the mere fact that he 722 00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:47,730 was investigating the Long Island crash 723 00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:51,780 and he was pursuing you know the along 724 00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,600 the Montauk Project yeah they that what 725 00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,300 a perfect opportunity especially and 726 00:35:02,120 --> 00:34:59,280 here's i think is the kicker if he was 727 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,130 getting close well that and then you 728 00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:04,560 know he was digging up all kinds of 729 00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:07,620 stuff on these three Republican which he 730 00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:09,660 was a Republican but I guess he decided 731 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:12,920 that because he didn't make it or 732 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:16,110 something so he was there's a lot of 733 00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,450 hatred that he had against those those 734 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:21,540 three people so you know a lot of 735 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:24,960 politics here well usually there always 736 00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,230 is and in a situation like that Marilyn 737 00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:30,720 a dick has any of his family pursued any 738 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:34,220 type of you know he never married okay 739 00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:42,210 so um he he all they don't know if it 740 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,660 was a perceived relationship with Elaine 741 00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:48,000 or if it was there were a lot of letters 742 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:49,860 there was a lot of letters mostly from 743 00:35:56,090 --> 00:35:54,300 John yes um I wish I could see her 744 00:35:58,610 --> 00:35:56,100 letters that she answered back to him 745 00:36:04,610 --> 00:35:58,620 but in reading these letters it looks 746 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:04,620 like she answered in a would I say a 747 00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:08,160 friendly way so I mean she was really 748 00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:10,950 fighting to do she undo the wrong you 749 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:14,070 out you know you deaf to know Elaine 750 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:17,010 really yes and what should she got ahold 751 00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:19,290 of something and then she believed in it 752 00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:21,960 she was not gonna let it go she was like 753 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:24,360 a bulldog I mean I had a little bit of 754 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,030 an inner face with her once myself yeah 755 00:36:30,759 --> 00:36:29,280 she was I don't know if I wonder she won 756 00:36:34,969 --> 00:36:30,769 but 757 00:36:37,569 --> 00:36:34,979 she was deeply involved with a group 758 00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:37,579 that was called Operation right to know 759 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:41,880 yeah and the head of that was at 760 00:36:52,309 --> 00:36:46,529 cormorant and she she was very very 761 00:36:55,309 --> 00:36:52,319 involved in it and we on her uh the 762 00:36:57,979 --> 00:36:55,319 website that we set up elane of files 763 00:37:01,999 --> 00:36:57,989 com Elaine Douglas files calm I'm sorry 764 00:37:04,819 --> 00:37:02,009 um we have pictures of her were there in 765 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:04,829 Washington DC and they're picketing in 766 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:07,049 front of the White House and the 767 00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,970 Pentagon damn that 10 i guess they did 768 00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,380 they were going to set up to do the 769 00:37:14,029 --> 00:37:12,599 Pentagon by reading her notes they're 770 00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:14,039 going to set up to do the Pentagon but 771 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:15,720 for some reason they didn't they didn't 772 00:37:23,269 --> 00:37:19,609 do it I don't know more yeah but uh um 773 00:37:28,549 --> 00:37:23,279 anyway she she elaine was truly an 774 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,559 activist and she became a strong 775 00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:32,160 activist for John Ford because she felt 776 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:35,660 very strongly that he had been wronged 777 00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:39,210 well I you know from what I've read and 778 00:37:43,339 --> 00:37:40,710 from what I know it sounds like he was 779 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:43,349 railroaded into the mental institute 780 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:47,400 yeah yes well I are you looking at the 781 00:37:52,759 --> 00:37:50,910 files I believe that was that's true and 782 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:52,769 it makes you wonder if they're still 783 00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:56,609 holding on to him um I it makes you 784 00:38:02,359 --> 00:38:00,359 wondered what he uncovered I mean you 785 00:38:05,749 --> 00:38:02,369 know what was it that they were afraid 786 00:38:11,299 --> 00:38:05,759 of that if he was allowed to continue to 787 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:11,309 pursue his angle concerning the Montauk 788 00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,249 crash the Long Island crash I don't 789 00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:15,960 really know it that was so long ago to 790 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:19,079 by now you would think that you know 791 00:38:22,999 --> 00:38:21,450 they're just well a little bit you know 792 00:38:26,269 --> 00:38:23,009 what dick and I'm just going to throw 793 00:38:29,509 --> 00:38:26,279 this out on the table because I wonder 794 00:38:34,089 --> 00:38:29,519 if there is a connection a string if you 795 00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:34,099 will that ties it to the TWA 800 crash 796 00:38:43,099 --> 00:38:36,599 and and they can't afford to have that 797 00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:43,109 yeah it very possibly could and I don't 798 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:44,590 know it's 799 00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:48,080 it's a quandary oh why they're still 800 00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:52,460 holding them um I don't know if I had if 801 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:55,220 I had the funding let me tell you I 802 00:38:59,650 --> 00:38:57,530 would fly to New York and go to the the 803 00:39:01,840 --> 00:38:59,660 Mental Health Institute ask if I can 804 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:01,850 come in as a visitor and sit down and 805 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:04,010 talk with the guy how was it Hinkle that 806 00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,230 shot that shot Ronald Reagan that 807 00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,760 they've they've already let him out 808 00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:09,920 they've already letting up no well and 809 00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:12,200 he had more money than John for it won't 810 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:14,660 flow yeah and course he wasn't a beat 811 00:39:21,790 --> 00:39:17,750 John is out we don't know yeah that 812 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:21,800 could very well be yeah yeah but um and 813 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,440 then the other thing that elaine was 814 00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:27,680 very involved with was abductions and 815 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:31,460 military abductions my labs is what they 816 00:39:40,090 --> 00:39:35,810 they're referred to as and she was very 817 00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:40,100 interested in abductees and starting a 818 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:47,030 support group for abductees and there 819 00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:50,450 was an effort made through um the fund 820 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:55,040 for UFO research and at that time she 821 00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:57,890 was a member of MUFON by the way no she 822 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:01,520 she approached me with my military and 823 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:04,370 what happened with me at Strategic Air 824 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:06,710 Command and she asked me that question 825 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:12,110 that the Chief did I feel that I had 826 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:15,170 been abducted or that I had any missing 827 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:18,530 time to reprogram and he keep out any 828 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:20,450 more information than what I observed 829 00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:22,550 when I was in the Strategic Air Command 830 00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:24,740 yeah you know and I and I told her I 831 00:40:29,230 --> 00:40:27,110 said LA and I said I I don't you know I 832 00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:29,240 don't have any missing time I don't have 833 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:31,430 any reference or occurrences that would 834 00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:35,090 indicate to me that I had been you know 835 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:38,600 I remember everything you know from that 836 00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:40,130 incident I don't I certainly don't 837 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:42,200 remember you know waking up and thinking 838 00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:44,090 I was dreaming or anything like that at 839 00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:45,380 least based upon my limited knowledge 840 00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:48,590 about abductees you're right well she 841 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:51,380 she did a lot to try and work with and 842 00:40:58,089 --> 00:40:54,710 do a research and there was a something 843 00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:58,099 called the abduction project 844 00:41:04,269 --> 00:41:02,390 uh that was she she had tried tried to 845 00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:04,279 get started watching she did get it 846 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:07,720 started and from what I saw she had like 847 00:41:13,989 --> 00:41:10,609 what they would do is they would try to 848 00:41:18,339 --> 00:41:13,999 find some real good candidates that were 849 00:41:23,549 --> 00:41:18,349 abducted and then they went for a PhD 850 00:41:26,979 --> 00:41:23,559 psychologist that would hypnotize the 851 00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:26,989 any of the subject and then they would 852 00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:29,839 but she could hit these files you start 853 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:31,390 seeing all these things well the 854 00:41:37,690 --> 00:41:34,460 psychiatrists wanted you know hundred 855 00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:37,700 dollars an hour and they didn't want to 856 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:39,950 give any that any of the information out 857 00:41:45,999 --> 00:41:43,880 at but what the hypnosis person did the 858 00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:46,009 person that got hypnotized didn't like 859 00:41:50,289 --> 00:41:47,900 this one and didn't like that one and 860 00:41:53,890 --> 00:41:50,299 finally quit and I mean is you getting 861 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:53,900 these files it is just unbelievable it's 862 00:41:59,319 --> 00:41:57,410 just like life today you know I mean you 863 00:42:00,940 --> 00:41:59,329 know this happens that happens and this 864 00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:00,950 happens and that happens but they start 865 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:02,900 out really good you know well I think 866 00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:04,660 that's just some simple medical 867 00:42:09,459 --> 00:42:07,670 physiology as a whole i mean you know 868 00:42:12,849 --> 00:42:09,469 you're talking about a subject first of 869 00:42:15,609 --> 00:42:12,859 all that is not only controversial but 870 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:15,619 it has all of these stigmas attached to 871 00:42:21,279 --> 00:42:19,249 it okay and so I mean those are some of 872 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:21,289 the roadblocks MJ you know that from 873 00:42:29,309 --> 00:42:24,049 trying to investigate cases including 874 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:29,319 people beginning the her plan was just 875 00:42:35,769 --> 00:42:32,690 absolutely the right thing to do well oh 876 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:35,779 yeah there's a file called abduction 877 00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:38,210 project and if you'll go up on the 878 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:40,670 website there's many pages to it 879 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:44,089 actually and so you first are 880 00:42:52,209 --> 00:42:46,609 categorized and you know well now stuff 881 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:52,219 no but and it turns out that there was 882 00:43:00,849 --> 00:42:57,729 some people involved that sort of led to 883 00:43:04,989 --> 00:43:00,859 the possibilities that they were being 884 00:43:09,999 --> 00:43:04,999 infiltrated by government in some way 885 00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:10,009 and so there was there was a accusations 886 00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:12,460 and there was 887 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:16,960 we've got a file called a CB scott jones 888 00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:21,680 and a gentleman by the name of Bob 889 00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:26,630 Durant wrote a stinging article about CB 890 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:30,700 scott jones and his involvement with um 891 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:33,950 abductees and his involvement with sup 892 00:43:38,109 --> 00:43:35,570 but everything a little bit of 893 00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:38,119 everything para not just paranormal but 894 00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:44,540 but uh um kind of psyops kind of thing 895 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,390 remote viewing and and there was there 896 00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:52,640 was a lot of questions and accusations 897 00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:58,310 about how you know a CD scott jones 898 00:44:03,550 --> 00:44:00,920 apparently was a spy according to what 899 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:03,560 i'm reading that was at written and he 900 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:07,090 was a spy who came in the from the cold 901 00:44:13,810 --> 00:44:10,910 editor a movie like that i myself had a 902 00:44:15,609 --> 00:44:13,820 situation where i met him and was 903 00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:15,619 invited to participate one of his 904 00:44:22,810 --> 00:44:19,940 programs and I declined yeah but if you 905 00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:22,820 read he was like the like the garbage 906 00:44:27,849 --> 00:44:25,670 man you know whenever but he was he knew 907 00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:27,859 the real high up people yes he had his 908 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:30,500 fingers in everything and you know and 909 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:33,580 the in the investigation world in 910 00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:37,730 Congress governor Pell was he was kind 911 00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:39,859 of his right-hand man yeah he was one of 912 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:42,470 the guys that was offered to listen to 913 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:44,390 the rest of this interview please go to 914 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:46,490 inception radio network com and 915 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:48,890 registered for the insider's club what 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00:48:09,599 shows an ability to support our network 986 00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:12,930 and become a part of Eire n actually 987 00:48:17,059 --> 00:48:15,540 joined forces and helping us get the 988 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:17,069 truth out there now how do you do this 989 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:19,890 again you go to inception radio network 990 00:48:25,339 --> 00:48:23,250 com and you subscribe for the insider's 991 00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:25,349 club and you will you'll have access to 992 00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:28,140 all of our archives including this show 993 00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:30,119 the rest of the show a faster way of 994 00:48:34,099 --> 00:48:31,859 getting there go to the description 995 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:34,109 below this video and click on the link 996 00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,569 and like I said you'll be joining forces 997 00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:39,240 with irn you'll have availability of all 998 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:41,579 of our content and we really appreciate 999 00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:54,960 hello everyone Laurieann Fenton here 1000 00:49:00,720 --> 00:48:57,400 hosted the California MUFON radio show 1001 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,730 asking if you'd like special access to 1002 00:49:07,019 --> 00:49:03,760 exclusive and amazing information about 1003 00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:07,029 UFOs the paranormal and all things 1004 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:10,359 unexplained if you're nodding yes then 1005 00:49:15,779 --> 00:49:13,990 join I rn's insider club as an insider 1006 00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:15,789 club member you'll get an all-access 1007 00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:18,760 pass to premier inception radio network 1008 00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:21,160 content for only four dollars and 1009 00:49:27,539 --> 00:49:23,710 ninety-nine cents a month this includes 1010 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:27,549 live UFO and paranormal conferences live 1011 00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:31,210 streaming UFO sky watches exclusive irn 1012 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:33,849 radio and TV productions and of course 1013 00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:37,630 paying radio with MJ and Ken Storch so 1014 00:49:43,049 --> 00:49:39,910 don't wait any longer visit inception 1015 00:49:46,170 --> 00:49:43,059 radio network calm and click on member 1016 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:46,180 login to join I rn's insider club and 1017 00:49:53,549 --> 00:49:51,670 get your VIP access today to listen to 1018 00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:53,559 the rest of this interview please go to 1019 00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:55,660 inception radio network calm and 1020 00:50:00,359 --> 00:49:58,210 register for the insider's club what is 1021 00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:00,369 the insider's club the insider's club is 1022 00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:02,140 our premium content what you've just 1023 00:50:08,579 --> 00:50:04,660 listened to now what you just listen to 1024 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:08,589 is a preview of that premium content the 1025 00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:10,510 insider's club is how we pay the bills 1026 00:50:16,799 --> 00:50:13,630 that's how you support ire and you 1027 00:50:19,170 --> 00:50:16,809 joined forces with irn to get the truth 1028 00:50:21,059 --> 00:50:19,180 out there now a lot of our content is 1029 00:50:25,319 --> 00:50:21,069 free i mean most of our content industry 1030 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:25,329 all of our lives shows are free if you 1031 00:50:30,059 --> 00:50:27,490 go to our archives the vast majority of 1032 00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:30,069 our archives are for free but to pay the 1033 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:32,980 bills to help make sure this network 1034 00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:36,970 stays alive stays viable we offer those 1035 00:50:42,329 --> 00:50:39,430 who really love our radio station or 1036 00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:42,339 network and our shows an ability to 1037 00:50:49,529 --> 00:50:45,700 support our network and become a part of 1038 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:49,539 our n actually joined forces and helping 1039 00:50:53,069 --> 00:50:51,250 us get the truth out there now how do 1040 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:53,079 you do this again you go to inception 1041 00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:56,770 radio network com and you subscribe for 1042 00:51:01,090 --> 00:50:58,280 the insider's club 1043 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:01,100 anyway you'll have access to all of our 1044 00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:03,410 archives including this show the rest of 1045 00:51:07,330 --> 00:51:05,240 the show a faster way of getting there 1046 00:51:09,850 --> 00:51:07,340 go to the description below this video 1047 00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:09,860 and click on the link and like I said 1048 00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:12,380 you'll be joining forces with irn you'll 1049 00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:14,750 have availability of all of our content 1050 00:51:29,230 --> 00:51:17,030 and we really appreciate your support 1051 00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:29,240 thank you hello everyone lorien Fenton 1052 00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:31,700 here hosted the California MUFON radio 1053 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:35,030 show asking if you'd like special access 1054 00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:37,730 to exclusive and amazing information 1055 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:41,630 about UFOs the paranormal and all things 1056 00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:44,930 unexplained if you're nodding yes then 1057 00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:48,590 join I rn's insider club as an insider 1058 00:51:53,350 --> 00:51:50,360 club member you'll get an all-access 1059 00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,360 pass to premier inception radio network 1060 00:51:58,300 --> 00:51:55,760 content for only four dollars and 1061 00:52:02,140 --> 00:51:58,310 ninety-nine cents a month this includes 1062 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:02,150 live UFO and paranormal conferences live 1063 00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:05,450 streaming UFO sky watches exclusive I 1064 00:52:11,110 --> 00:52:08,150 are in radio and TV productions and of 1065 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:11,120 course paying radio with MJ and Ken 1066 00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:13,850 Storch so don't wait any longer visit 1067 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:16,760 inception radio network calm and click